"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."-Acts 1:8
This morning (Saturday, September 17th 2011), I decided to create this site because I had an interesting question from this guy online....
If God is so powerful, why did He had to create angels to help him?
I decided to do a quick google, which first gives a foundation explanation of Creation to understand the "Beginning...
"..The scripture does not say there came to be evening a first light (day), it says there came to be morning a first light (day). The new light then waxes and wanes over the subsequent morning and evening until the next light appears in the next day. The light of the first day, that appeared in the morning, was not the first light ever to appear, it was the new light that appeared in that first day. The various different lights are in fact various different speeds of light. There are scientific theories that require the speed of light to have changed in order for the universe to be stable. And of course the present value of the speed of light prevents us from leaving our solar system and screwing up the entire galaxy. At the time of the Big Bang, light was 360,000 times faster than it is today - see U234. And light will return to being that speed in the future, once we have learned how to behave. The significance of these different speeds of light is that the age of the universe is not 11-15 billion years old as presently measured by the time it takes light to get to us from the furthest away stars. It is in fact only around 100,000 years old, since the speed of light has been a lot faster in the past. The significance of this is that God has not sat around doing nothing for billions of years and then gone crazy in activity in the last few thousand. He was been really busy for all of the last 100,000 years. We have covered this ground here to fully explain the statement: Let there be light, in the literal meaning of Genesis 1....
The Symbolic Meaning of Genesis 1
"...We can show by employing the bible code, that initially there was God and no one else. Then God created the spiritual realm, historically bi-directional time and the angels. Then God created space-time with the Big Bang and he created physical light and he made time unidirectional. Then he created the humans. If you do not wish to read this section please skip it and continue with the next section.
The first line of Genesis says...
1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1).
The literal meaning of the chapter is the creation of the earth and of the physical universe, the physical heavens if you like. The symbolic meaning is the creation of heaven, not the heaven of the physical universe, but the heaven in which the angels dwell. This heaven is the spiritual universe.
The earth in the symbolic meaning stands for God's heavenly administration. The waters are all the angels. ...
So the origin of space time was the change from historically bi-directional time to unidirectional time. So the statement: Let there be light was the origin of space time (which science theorises was the 'Big Bang'). The Big Bang (which we use colloquially to mean the origin of space time) was when time became unidirectional. But the Big Bang was when physical light also came into existence. So Satan actually brought divine law light and physical light into existence on behalf of God at the Big Bang. God was using the physical creation of light to demonstrate physically to the angels the spiritual effect of divine law.
So Angels came before the Big Bang. Physical light travels at a pre-defined speed independent of the dynamic status of any observer (as Einstein discovered) so light is a measure of time. Actually light is God's galactic clock. Light measures time. The division between day and night is the division between the physical and the spiritual realms. .....
*see GoodnewsEverybody.com Science: Astronomy-Aliens, Outer Space Travel, etc...
God was by himself before he created anything "..God began (if that is the right word) all by himself. He had no helper as a complement for him. He therefore created the angels. Then, after he created Adam, God realised that his human creation had the same problem that he had had in the first place.
18 And Jehovah God went on to say: It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him. (Genesis 2).
It is important to understand that in this state of solitude God invented love. We can only theorize as to how he did this, but presumably he created something which he became attached to and realized that this was the most important thing that he had created. He then created a whole universe which is run essentially according to 3 laws which are:
GoodnewsEverybody.com Life-Love, Agape, Passionate, Romance, etc...
1. We must love God
2. We must love each other
3. We must have a set of laws which enable the above two loves to flourish in our society.
So because he wanted to love and to be loved, he wished to procreate, and that is why he created the angels as helpers and as a compliment for him. God certainly created in us the capability to love and he certainly loves us. The angels are made in his image just as we are so they too have the capability to love and God loves them.
He then created space-time in order to show up angelic sin initially. Angels have characters just as we do and just as God does. They interact with each other out of free will just as we do.
7 You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands (Hebrews 2).
26 And God went on to say: Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth (Genesis 1).
So we are made in their image only a little lower in powers and in experience. But we are not made any lower in love. So they can be unjust to each other and they can sin against each other and against God just as we do. Space-time was the nursery school for the angels. God needed to freeze their mistakes in time, in order that they would recognise them and repent from them and learn from them. This is why he made time unidirectional, for otherwise all the angels would be having groundhog days with their sins. Angels are restricted by time but not by space. Time is how angels are held accountable. In bi-directional time, an angel could go up to his friend and be really nasty, and then say, what are you worried about I am going to undo all of this in a few minutes anyway. In this way everything becomes a joke and nothing is really learned. God is restricted by neither space nor time. Humans are restricted by space and time.
However, having created the angels with free will, some of them chose to leave God's administration and formed a rebellion. This rebellion was actually headed up by Satan, whilst Satan was still acting as God's CEO, God's high priest. Satan was the firstborn angel and he originally had the rights of the firstborn which are to run God's administration for him - see I16. So Satan was actually running both the good angels and the bad angels, just like Chancellor Palpatine in Star Wars...
Chancellor Palpatine / The Emperor / Darth Sidious ( by DuduFilm )
"...Palpatine, also known as Darth Sidious, was the last Chancellor of the Galactic Republic and the first Emperor of the Galactic Empire. He was a Dark Lord of the Sith who followed the Rule of Two and was the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known. Palpatine was able to establish his Empire by concocting a complex master plan, which involved starting the Clone Wars, a galaxy-wide conflict that cost billions of sentient lives, and secretly playing both sides, until he replaced the Republic with the Galactic Empire and nearly exterminated the Jedi.
Palpatine's origins were always hidden in obscurity, but it is known that he was born on Naboo eighty-two years before the Battle of Yavin. He later entered politics, representing his homeworld of Naboo in the Galactic Senate. Secretly, he was trained in the ways of the dark side of the Force by Darth Plagueis, whom he later murdered. Sidious adopted the title of Dark Lord of the Sith for himself and took the young Darth Maul as his Sith apprentice. He was able to conceal his dark side powers from the Jedi, leading a double life. He exploited this in 32 BBY, manipulating many political figures to initiate a blockade of Naboo by the Trade Federation. In the wake of the conflict, the Galactic Senate voted to elect him Supreme Chancellor. The first phase of his master plan was complete...
*see GoodnewsEverybody.com Issues-Accuser, Satan, Hell, etc... "...Satan was smart enough to hold to God's laws in such a way that he could not be removed from his firstborn inheritance whilst he was corrupting and enticing other angels to break these laws and join the lawless community that Satan was running for his own glory in heaven.
God created humans to physicalise the effects of sin. We are the full body scanner for angelic sin. We are a diagnostic tool for God.
9 For it seems to me that God has put us the apostles last on exhibition as men appointed to death, because we have become a theatrical spectacle to the world, and to angels, and to men (1 Corinthians 4).
We are created fragile so that we learn how important it is to love one another. The angels, who were created immortal, did not properly learn that lesson without us. As Paul said...
10 Therefore I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in cases of need, in persecutions and difficulties, for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am powerful (2 Corinthians 12).
Millions of starving and dying Africans show categorically that the greed of the few is the hunger of the many. Cancer shows categorically that corruption is ultimately terminal if left unchecked as do several countries in the Continent of Africa presently. The grand finale of our diagnostic extravaganza is that we actually wipe ourselves out. In this way we demonstrate categorically, tragically and spectacularly that all sin is ultimately destructive. We demonstrate conclusively that stopping sinning is necessary to ensure survival. The theory of evolution postulates the survival of the fittest. But in truth it is the survival of the sinless that describes our only future. All of this pain that we suffer is of benefit to us even more than it is of benefit to the angels who watch us. We will reach true love a lot faster than many of them, due to our increased suffering, even though we were born second.
For God's laws are simply the minimum set of rules which ensure the continued existence of a society.
But as God himself discovered when he was all alone, when he was simulating possible futures, existence is fairly meaningless without love. To live is to love. An indefinite existence without love is not what God wanted. In fact an indefinite existence without love may not even be possible. And true love is impossible without free will. Because love is a choice.
So God's laws are also the minimum set of rules for a society which enable love to flourish.
To sum it all up. God wanted to create a community of free willed people who had learned from others what he had learned for himself about love. He wanted a child like himself. He wanted to procreate. The whole universe is a nursery for that child and it is the forum for his love and for our love. But he could not just leave his kids all alone to learn love for themselves as he had to, because that would be denying his love to his children. So he teaches us love personally. In other words God taught himself love, but we are taught love by our parents. In fact this is what being a parent is all about.
The end result is that God can love various free willed beings and be loved by those beings to the same extent that he loves them. They will be able to and will choose to love him with the same level of love that he has for them. We will be equals with God and with Christ in love, but they will still be our spiritual parents and our Gods. Jesus Christ has attained that level of love and is now a God just like Jehovah. Our destiny is to follow him to divinity which is perfect love....
Related: Superman II edit , from youtube.com "..Uploaded by EvilSupes on Aug 16, 2008
This is my attempt of combining Richard Lester's and Richard Donner's best into one for the phantom zone release.
.. Superman Vs Zod Non Ursa (Kryptonian Villians from Superman II), from youtube.com Superman I.V "Uploaded by galacticast on Jun 29, 2007
The story of General Zod, Ursa and Non, demonstrating what went on in the Phantom Zone between Superman I and II.
" What is the movie Superman about, wiki.answers.com "..... the Ruling Council sentences three attempted insurrectionists, General Zod, Ursa and Non, to "eternal living death" in the Phantom Zone. ..... Superman (1978) Movie, movieshive.com
"..Three traitors who have attempted to overthrow Krypton's ruling council are sentenced by the planet's greatest scientist, Jor-El, to an enclosed extra-dimensional prison drifting through space. ..
"7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, "I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count."
11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,[a]
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers." ...
" 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
The Son Superior to Angels
" 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father"[a]?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[b]?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[d]
8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]
10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[f]
13 To which of the angels did God ever say,
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”[g]?
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? "
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This is a discussion on The "Sons of God" and the Nephilim within the Faith and Religion forum, part of the General Discussion category; haven't seen any threads posted on these rascals .Thought I'd share a few bits here.If anyone hasn't read the book ...
Genetic manipulation is going on today and again the root element is that Satan wants to rule and sit on the throne in Jerusalem in the place of Yahshua the Messiah, quite contrary to Yahweh's laws of creation. This could be a stretch of the imagination, but now days it's not impossible.
So don't be surprised if you see that the Son of Perdition is a designer clone, and that he may look identical to the Jesus in the pictures we are accustomed to seeing.
Check out this 55.55 minute teaching. It's very interesting.. The "Sons of God" and the Nephilim
*49:00 Micro-chip (city) born from a ship found in Area 51
Mrs. Ahmed (UN Outer Affairs Spokesperson)
"LAKE FOREST, CA (ANS) -- Make no mistake, “Return of the Giants: A Dark Tale of the Nephilim,” by Robert T. Brooke, is a thriller that pulls no punches. Now a paperback version has joined the eBook that I announced a month back and is available on Lulu.com and soon coming to Amazon, Barnes and Noble and other vendors http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/return-of-the-giants-a-dark-tale-of-the-nephilim/17159389? ($16.44)
The Nephilim are the ancient giants that were destroyed in the Great Flood and endless speculation has surrounded their terrible powers. This book explores these mysteries.
Adrenaline-junkies who love thrillers have a rare treat in store, while those too sensitive for the shock levels of a Tom Clancy or Stephen King should probably pass. It could be just the thing for your non-Christian friends as well as many of you who can handle the heat.
“Return of the Giants” crosses some heavy terrain; from the dark rituals and intrigue at Bohemian Grove (based on believable reports); to underground scientific projects at Stanford; high drama at Cambridge; to the shrouded New Forest region of my native England, where the terrifying giants are harbored in a massive facility. Those behind the “New World Order” are hovering in the shadows, a feast for those able to read between-the-lines.
Rather than taking an in-your-face approach, the author allows the Christian worldview to seep through carefully, not heavy-handedly. One purpose is crossover -- reaching those who wouldn't otherwise touch a book produced by a Christian publisher. My guess is that the publishing titans who are used to molding public opinion, felt threatened by its message. The author is grateful that digital publishing has created new avenues with digital eBooks.
Robert T. Brooke, who has sojourned through the dark side of the occult much of his life before finding God, writes with rare insight. The story is based on an IMAX-level dream the author had of a horrifying recombinant DNA stealth scientific project in the forests of England. When the creature came into view, he broke into a cold sweat, yet was afraid he was being shown something.
The Coromandel haven
The author told the ASSIST News Service (www.assistnews.net) that he began writing “Return of the Giants” over seven years ago in an old Edwardian Colonial hotel in Sri Lanka, where he camped out for months. After numerous rewrites, even in remote Coromandel, New Zealand, where he has a residence, it was completed. I wrote a related story, "Treasure in Coromandel", about the author's Coromandel residence as a writers haven in New Zealand (http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2011/s11050106.htm). The final edit was done by a young Christian editorial prodigy with Asperger syndrome.
So, if Mega-selling author Dean Koontz were to write a thriller in which the Nephilim were brought back into the world, it could well be “Return of the Giants.”
Like Koontz, the author writes at a very high level rarely seen in contemporary Christian writers. It's a fast-paced read ideal for a plane or train ride. Also, like Koontz, the author is a conservative libertarian who is a strong advocate of freedom, stands against the "New World Order" and believes in God.
A fellow English journalist just reported: "Ragingly brilliant, riveting. Couldn't put it down. On the level of the best of Dean Koontz spliced with vintage Michael Crichton. Remarkable intrigue, depth and range.” -- John Hills, Publisher & Editor of Maui Gold Magazine, Maui INC Magazine and Centerpiece Magazine.
Brooke then posed the question: “Any of you know Peter Jackson, director of 'Lord of the Rings,' for the film version of 'Return of the Giants'?"
“Return of the Giants” eBook on Kindle: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XOZ7S4 .
“Return of the Giants” in paperback: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/return-of-the-giants-a-dark-tale-of-the-nephilim/17159389? ($16.44) "
"... is independent media that pulls you outside of the box and into the heart of cognizance itself. Here the word ‘gnostic’ pertains to knowledge and not necessarily dogmatic ‘Gnostic’ teachings. The word gnostic has its origins in the word ‘knowledge’ or ‘to know’ [a. Gr. γνῶσις investigation, knowledge, f. γνω- root of γιγνώσκειν to know.]...
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Inspired by the modern classic, Wings of Desire, City involves an angel (Cage) who is spotted by a doctor in an operating room. Franz plays Cage's buddy who somehow knows a lot about angels.
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City of Angels (Trailer)
Angels Among Us
By Dan Wooding
Founder of ASSIST Ministries Tuesday, October 25, 2011
"KANSAS CITY, MO (ANS) -- A recent Gallup poll revealed that 75 percent of Americans believe in angels. The 25 percent who remain skeptics may reconsider after reading Where Angels Tread: Real Stories of Miracles and Angelic Intervention (Andrews McMeel Publishing,
Author Leslie Rule has written four previous titles based on supernatural themes, which have a combined net sales of over 150,000 copies.
A news release said that to write Where Angels Tread, Leslie spent countless hours researching first-hand accounts. The result is a collection of over 100 cases of miraculous events and angel encounters that will offer hope to the hearts of readers who seek comfort in troubled times.
With a foreword by best-selling author Ann Rule, Where Angels Tread is divided by themes, including “Animal Miracles,” “Christmas Miracles,” and “Angels on the Road.” Rule also includes “In the News,” sidebar articles where actual news accounts of angels and miracles are highlighted.
From the case of an elderly woman rescued from a burning house just in time, to the story of a four-year-old saved from pedaling into the path of a speeding truck, Where Angels Tread presents a variety of phenomenal cases of divine intervention that will astound even the most skeptical readers.
About the Author: Leslie Rule is a professional photographer and the author of seven books with supernatural themes. She has also written dozens of articles for national magazines, including Reader’s Digest. The daughter of best-selling true-crime author Ann Rule, Leslie grew up in a haunted house where her lifelong fascination with the supernatural began. She lives in the Seattle, Washington area.
Where Angels Tread: Real Stories of Miracles and Angelic Intervention by Leslie Rule (Andrews McMeel Publishing) • ISBN: 978-1-4494-0773-5 • Price $14.99 ($16.99 Canada) Paperback: 5½ x 8½, 240 pages
For more information, contact: Shelly Barkes • 800-851-8923 ext. 7498 • sbarkes@amuniversal.com "
" "But even if we (Apostles), or an angel of heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be CURSED". -Galatians 1:8
"..Selecting Islam and Christianity based on the amount of believers is important. However, there is a much more important reason for the selection. Both claim to have a similar method of receiving revelation from outside time-space. Both faiths claim to have a prophet that received God's word from the same angel, the Archangel Gabriel. The common source of the Archangel Gabriel makes for an ideal comparison between the two faiths. The tool I use to make this comparison is a mathematical tool, which aids in being objective. Both religions will be analyzed using the Einstein Method guidelines. The ultimate goal is to find out if God has truly revealed spiritual truth to humanity through either or both religions.
Muslims believe that the Archangel Gabriel delivered the specific words recorded in the Qur'an to the prophet Muhammad.
For Christians, the Bible records that the Archangel Gabriel appeared to Daniel, a prophet of the Old Testament. In the New Testament, the Archangel Gabriel appears to Zechariah, the father of John the Baptist, and to Mary, the mother of Jesus. However, I will only analyze Gabriel's appearance to Daniel. Refer to the quick pop-up for information about Gabriel in the New Testament...
"..#2 Both were visited by an angel. Joseph Smith was visited by the angel "Moroni" and Muhammad by Gabriel. Galatians 1:6-9 says, "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed."..
"..Some non-Muslims might be surprised to hear is that the Angel Gabriel is also an important figure in Islam. It was actually Gabriel who recited the Qur’an to Muhammad in a cave, Hira’a, near Mecca.
But he’s not the only angel Muslims believe in. Angels, in general, are important to Islam. In fact, belief in angels is among the six articles of faith in Islam – if a Muslim does not believe in all six, including angels, there is no faith.
The angels, like all of creation, are the work of Allah and are made of light. They can assume any shape and exist to do the work of Allah – which includes recording the good and bad deeds of man, receiving the souls of the dying and guard Heaven and Hell.
Muslims also believe in guardian angels. There are two for every believer and the angels follow a Muslim all through his or her life. One angel watches over the Muslim during the day, the other at night – writing down all of the good and bad deeds a person commits for Judgment Day... The Holy Quran
Arabic Text with English Translation, Commentary and comprehensive Introduction
by Maulana Muhammad Ali
Year 2002 Edition
Retypeset, redesigned with expanded Index muslim.org
Muhammad
by Matt Slick
Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
"..Around 35 years of age, Muhammad assumed the habit of going outside of Mecca to Mt. Hira for meditation and contemplation. There was a cave where he often went for solitude. It was during one of these times of meditation that Muhammad said an angelic being appeared to him. This disturbed Muhammad (Qur'an 81:19-29) and he told his wife Khadija that he thought he had been visited by an evil Jinn. Jinn are supposed to be living beings like people, but not angels, who were created from fire and are invisible, yet dwell on the earth. A short time later, in the year 610 (believed to be the 26th of Ramadan), while in a cave on Mt. Hirah, Muhammad said that the angel Gabriel appeared to him and commanded him to recite (96:1-19). This recitation became the Qur'an. In these encounters with the angel Gabriel, sometimes he would see the angel, other times he would only hear him, and at others he only heard the sound of a bell through which the words of the angel came.
Muhammad could neither read nor write so he was instructed to memorize the words given to him by Gabriel. This complete recitation which Muhammad received over a 23 year period, ending in 632, the year of his death, is known as the Qur'an. Initially, Muhammad doubted that he was being called by Allah to be a prophet. Others, including his wife and a cousin, counseled him by saying that Allah would only be truthful to him and would not allow him to be deceived. Muhammad became convinced and even wrote in the Qur'an, "Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe," (2:97)....
"CHAMPION, Wis. — In France, the shrine at Lourdes is surrounded by hundreds of hotels and has received as many as 45,000 pilgrims in a single day. Our Lady of Guadalupe, in Mexico, draws millions of fervent worshipers a year.
Now, a little chapel among the dairy farms here, called Our Lady of Good Help, has joined that august company in terms of religious status, if not global fame. This month, it became one of only about a dozen sites worldwide, and the first in the United States, where apparitions of the Virgin Mary have been officially validated by the Roman Catholic Church. ...
".. ... Catholic commentators, not to mention the Popes, have agreed that Mary died; that belief has long been expressed through the liturgy. (The Church has never formally defined whether she died or not, and the integrity of the doctrine of the Assumption would not be impaired if she did not die, but the almost universal consensus is that she did in fact die.)
Yet, around the world, in direct violation of scripture, Catholics almost daily consult apparitions of Mary, who has actually been quite dead for nearly 2000 years...
Virgin Mary apparitions false/demonic
No 1820 Revival "..Joseph Smith claimed that his mother, sister and two brothers were led to join the local Presbyterian Church as a result of that 1820 revival. However, four years before he made this claim, his own church paper had stated that the revival in which his family had been led to join the Presbyterian Church took place in 1823 (Messenger & Advocate I, pp. 42, 78). In fact, that account says it was the same 1823 revival that led him to go to his bedroom (not to a sacred grove) and pray "if a Supreme being did exist" and to know that "he was accepted of him." An angel (not a deity) is then reported to have appeared and told him of his forgiveness and of the gold plates...
Bible Reading Vs. Revelations "..In the 1832 version he claims to have seen only Christ, while in the 1838 rendition both the Father and the Son appear. In the 1832 account he already knows all the churches are wrong, while in the 1838 story it is the dual deities who first inform him of this. Different people may have different views of the same event, but when one person tells contradictory stories about an event, he completely loses his credibility...
Which First Vision Account Should We Believe?
By Lane Thuet
There are at least nine different versions of this first vision, each of which differs in the more significant parts of the story. Here is a brief look at them, starting with the latest known account, and working back to the earliest one....
"..."When that principle was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith ... he did not falter, although it was not until an angel of God, with a drawn sword, stood before him; and commanded that he should enter into the practice of that principle, or he should be utterly destroyed, or rejected, that he moved forward to reveal and establish that doctrine."
- Prophet Joseph F. Smith, "Plural Marriage for the Righteous Only-Obedience Imperative-Blessings Resulting", Journal of Discourses, Vol.20, p.28 - p.29
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Truth about Joseph Smith Jr., False Prophet, Cult, Disproved, Exposed!
Latter Day Saints | Mormons | Mormonism | Salt Lake City | Utah |
"..Joseph Smith is the founder of the Church of Latter Day Saints. Smith said that he was given the "most recent testament of Jesus", the golden tablets, by the angel Moroni. He really did meet with an angel.
Smith did not test the spirit's identity. Even in the Mormon account of the visitation, Smith did NOT follow the biblical protocol for truthfullness of an angelic visitation. Smoth assumed that Moroni was from God, and the tablets were from God and not from Satan.
see www.concernedchristians.org
Joseph Smith received "any other gospel" from the so called Moroni angel.
Joseph Smith did not test Moroni's true identity, because Joseph Smith did not read his Bible. Smith did NOT practice Christianity, because he was NOT A CHRISTIAN. It is common knowledge that Joseph Smith lived the life of a charlatan and he died the death of a murderer. Look up "Concernedchristians.org", on the internet. .
If you ever have a vision, or actually see a heavenly being, or even Jesus, you are warned to verify the spirit's true identity. If anyone ever is visited by an angel the question must be asked..."Did YHVH become Yeshua and die and resurrect for my sins?" A demon will either disappear or answer "AAARRRHHGGG I HATE YOU!" and then disappear. Or the spirit being will welcome your confession, if it is an obedient messenger of God.
Joseph Smith was tricked, he did NOT recieve a message from an angel of the LORD. That angel Moroni was actually a demon, maybe even Satan himself. The message of the tablets has the purpose of competing with the Bible, for the souls of people.
The tablets were supposedly pure gold. Well... if the tablets were pure gold, then Smith could NOT HAVE CARRIED THEM, nor could 3 men!!! Pure gold in so many large tablets is extremely heavy!
Joseph Smith was a FALSE PROPHET.
"..Uploaded by ShakerCuda71 on Sep 2, 2008
Yes, these supernatural spirits actually exist. But they are not ' ghosts '
as in the ghost of someone who has passed away like so many think.
They are actually demon spirits in disguise... Are ghosts real? Is demonic possession real? (2/3) , from youtube.com
*why you don't messs with Ouji boards
*see GoodnewsEverybody.com Ministry: Deliverance
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The fallen angels are no different. They are weary from this spiritual war. They are parched from being distanced from their heavenly home. An they cry to .....
"What are Fallen Angels? There are those who believe and teach that fallen angels rule the earth as angelic principalities and powers. They claim that this ......
*contradicts Bible
"...Whether you are dealing with so called ghosts, aliens or psychics, the only way to know if you are being deceived is to know the word of God (scripture) and know it well. Test the spirits to see if they are of God, or if you are being deceived by a lying spirit. ..
What are ghosts? "The Bible says that one third of the angels rebelled against God (see my page on Satan for more info). Satan (Lucifer) was the angel in charge of this rebellion. These angels were punished by being banished from heaven.
Satan hates man. Man has a relationship with God that angels could never have. Man was made in the image and likeness of God. Satan is jealous of this and hates us for it. He wants to deceive human kind into rejecting God, so that man will share the same punishment that he is destined for.
Satan knows that one single lie wont be effective in deceiving everyone. So he came up with several. Some men would be deceived by Ghosts and reincarnation. Others would adopt an evolutionary philosophy, that the world created itself without God. Others would be deceived into believing in pagan gods, etc...
I believe (and the Bible says) that Satan sends fallen angels to earth to deceive us. Satan wants us to doubt the existence of God. He wants man to share in his punishment.
Part of this deception is the appearance of "ghosts". Satan wants man to believe that these are the spirits of people who have died. That they have overcome the chains of death and returned.
This is opposite of what the Bible says happens when we die. By being presented with these spirits one tends to question if the Biblical destination after death is the correct one. Because if ghosts exist, then clearly heaven does not. ...
Sightings:
Fallen Angel captured on camera! New 2010
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"Beloved believe not every spirit. But try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out of the world. This is how you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesses that Yahshua is come in the flesh, is of God. And every spirit that confesses not that Yahshua Messiah is come in the flesh, is not of God: and this is that spirit of the anti-christ,.... ye are of God little children, and you have overcome them: because greater is HE that is in you, than he that is in the world." END
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